The Trust Blueprint

The Future of Real Estate with Natalia Karayaneva (Propy)

In this episode of The Trust Blueprint, Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with Natalia Karayaneva, Founder and CEO of Propy, for a conversation on the future of real estate, blockchain, and programmable property.
Pat and Natalia first connected nearly a decade ago when both companies were in their early days. Now, with Propy operating as a licensed title and escrow company across four states, Natalia shares how Propy went from pioneering the first on-chain property transactions to operating a licensed title and escrow business across Florida, Arizona, Colorado, and Alabama, with a recently announced $100 million commitment to acquire and modernize title companies nationally. They dig into Propy's AI agent Avery, the real-world impact of crypto-friendly regulation, the deepfake and deed fraud crisis facing real estate, and what must change for on-chain ownership transfer to become the standard.
A candid, founder-focused discussion on determination, trust infrastructure, and the technology reshaping the world's largest asset class.
Follow Natalia & Explore Her Work:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karayaneva/
Propy: https://propy.com
X: https://x.com/PropyInc
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/notarize/ 
X: x.com/proof 
Blog: proof.com/blog
About Proof
Proof is the world's first identity authorization network, protecting customers from fraud and forgery by tying their identity to their most important transactions. From signing simple contracts to notarizing deeds and trusts, Proof delivers trust between businesses and customers by providing reliable, secure, trustworthy transactions.
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The Future of Tech, Policy, and Democracy with Bradley Tusk (Mobile Voting Project, Tusk Ventures)

In this episode of The Trust Blueprint, Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with Bradley Tusk, founder of The Mobile Voting Project and Tusk Ventures, for a far-reaching conversation on the future of technology, policy, and democracy.
Building on Bradley’s April TED Talk and recent coverage in The New York Times, WIRED, NPR, and StateScoop, Pat and Bradley explore the Mobile Voting Project’s five-year, ten-million-dollar effort to expand access to secure mobile voting. They discuss the recent launch of VoteSecure and how trustworthy digital infrastructure can strengthen democratic participation.
The conversation then expands to Bradley’s work helping companies such as Uber, FanDuel, and Lemonade navigate existential regulatory challenges, and why founders in regulated industries cannot afford to treat policy as an afterthought. Pat and Bradley examine how smart engagement with regulators can become a strategic advantage, and what it takes to build technology that people can trust.
A candid, founder-focused discussion on innovation, risk, and the systems shaping the future.
Follow Bradley & Explore His Work:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/btusk/
Substack: https://bradleytusk.substack.com/
Podcast (Firewall): https://www.firewall.media/
Learn more about Proof: 
Visit: proof.com 
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/notarize/ 
X: x.com/proof
Blog: proof.com/blog
 
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The Future of Financial Services with Ian Macallister (Plaid, Unit21, Zelle)

Kicking off The Trust Blueprint, Pat Kinsel sits down with Ian Macallister, Proof’s EVP of Strategy and Business Development. Drawing on experience at Plaid, Unit21, and Early Warning (Zelle), Ian shares how he’s helping banks and fintechs bridge the toughest gaps in identity, risk, and payment infrastructure — and what it means for the future of financial services.
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The Trust Blueprint: S1 The Payment Parallel - E4: Keeping Participants Safe: Consumer Protections in Payment Networks

In the final episode of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel interviews author David Stearns about how consumer protections helped rewrite the history of the payments industry.
 
David explores the societal and policy challenges that faced the payments industry in the late 60s and early 70s and how the industry went on to change how banks and consumers respond to fraud. Together, he and Pat discuss how modern payment networks established trust at a global scale and what lessons can be learned for the future of identity online.
 
Check out Episode 4 of The Payment Parallel Podcast and download the full Payment Parallel eBook for free at proof.com/the-payment-parallel.
 
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The Trust Blueprint: S1 The Payment Parallel - E3: Authenticating & Authorizing Transactions: Securing Identity Like Payments

In Episode Three of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the technology that truly accelerated the growth of the payments industry: the underlying network!
 
Connecting merchants to issuing banks, David explores how payments evolved from paper-based authorizations to today’s fully automated flows. Together, he and Pat discuss the power of networks and data sharing and look at what’s similar for today’s identity industry.
 
Check out Episode 3 of The Payment Parallel Podcast and download the full Payment Parallel eBook for free at proof.com/the-payment-parallel.
 
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The Trust Blueprint: S1 The Payment Parallel - E2: Issuing Credentials: The Foundation of Payment Networks

In Episode Two of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the foundation of a payment network: the credential.
From the Diner’s Club card in the 1950s to today's Tap to Pay, David explores the history of the payments industry and how it solved the multi-sided market dilemma between merchants and cardholders. Together, he and Pat draw parallels between today’s identity verification industry and the similar challenges it faces when issuing credentials.
Could the same strategies used in payments to bootstrap adoption offer a blueprint for the identity industry? Check out Episode 2 of The Payment Parallel Podcast!
Download the full Payment Parallel eBook for free at proof.com/the-payment-parallel.
 
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The Trust Blueprint: S1 The Payment Parallel - E1: Lessons from Payments: What Can the Identity Industry Learn?

In this episode of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the outdated and cumbersome process of identity verification—and what the identity industry can learn from the evolution of digital payments.
David shares his experience navigating manual, paper-based notarization and highlights the security risks that come with it. Together, he and Pat draw parallels between identity verification today and how payments were processed before electronic cards revolutionized transactions.
Could the same innovations that made payments seamless and secure offer a blueprint for restoring trust online? Check out Episode 1 of The Payment Parallel Podcast!
Download the full Payment Parallel eBook for free at proof.com/the-payment-parallel.
 
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